World Background Maps

[BenganJ]

@charles12345

Good news then! Thanks for your report and now, ENJOY the game! :D

[kzcornel]

As I read few pages ago you are currently fixing the middle east positions to make it accurate with the cities in PMME, right? I'm patiently waiting for this as it is a bummer for me personally to not have an accurate map while driving haha

[BenganJ]

@kzcornel

Sorry for not reporting my attempts fully. But the fact is like this in a few words.
Promods claim they are using the new SCS map projection when re-mapping the
northern Scandinavia, but they are NOT. My background mods are coherent with
the SCS background map, and I refuse to commit violence to the real world just
to satisfy the wrongly placed northern Scandinavia, Cyprus and Middle east by
the Promods team. I've been forced to do that with Iceland, as that would have
looked damn odd otherwise. If I update my BGs then I will probably reset that
location of Iceland too. Sorry, but that is how it is, and I will later post here my
evidences on this fact! I've tried to talk to Promods about this, but they won't
communicate.

[kzcornel]

Ah I see, that's unfortunate! Thanks for making things clear

[Arayas]

I've tried to talk to Promods about this, but they won't
communicate.

Nooo! Atleast i've admited some of my works are gonne in the wind, but...no!

Well, is not easy to move some parts to fit the planet Earth, but is more easy to let them be.
I understand their silence but people will push on their forum for this. Then we will see the explanation. More likely one about you not doing this well. Their choice.
Maybe people will understand one more time now why i didnt want to update Superzoom for PM. Whatever values i was using, some parts were in the woods.
But...when Southern Region will be in its place and a specific dude will remake YKSRSK map positions...it will be odd to see Promods as the only missplaced map on the community.

They've changed some things for the community...give them some time.

[BenganJ]

=========== Information about why I won't manipulate my background maps ===========
============= in order to compensate for Promods wrongly placed areas. =============

Here is the original SCS BG from the ETS2 v1.36 game:

SCS_map.jpg

This is the Promods v2.45, ETS2 v1.36 BG, note the wrong scale of the UK area:

PM245_map.jpg

After compensation for different coverage and positioning we get this comparison of
the two:

SCS_PM245_COMPARED.jpg

BLUE = SCS
RED = Promods
PURPLE = Common areas to both

As you can see, Promods is NOT using the same map projection as SCS, making quite
some difference between them. I have used SCS map data to register my BGs and then,
as a favor to the Promods users, fixed and adjusted UK, Ireland and Iceland to be
displayed properly. From the comparison picture you can see that Promods display
that area in a wrong scale compared to the rest, 1:15 versus 1:19. SCS re-scales
it's own UK area so that it is displayed in 1:19 too. That incompatibility, or mess
I would call it, I had to take care of!

This is what Promods blog states about the release of Promods v2.45 regarding this:

The Northern Rescale

Another major technical adjustment that has finally been integrated is the northern rescale. Changes in
the map projection by SCS a few game versions ago had particularly large effects at high latitudes, leaving
cities in the far north (i.e. Russia, Finland and Norway) displaced to the south. This meant that the cities
had to be moved northwards and several roads had to be extended.

At the same time, some of the roads received refurbishment or rebuilding with newer textures,
vegetation and road signs to enhance the quality of these areas. We can now finally show the results of
our efforts.

Sadly that's NOT true and what's worse, they messed it up even more! And they made
NOTHING to the UK area, Cyprus or Middle East.

Here is video showing Promods data against the SCS original background UI map. Here you can clearly
see that they are not compliant to SCS map projection:


Now you know why I won't do any more adjustments to compensate for Promods mistakes.

P.S.
I have asked about this on the Promods forum, over 150 has viewed the post, but none from Promods team has
answered me since I posted 13th of April 2020. Here's the post: https://www.promods.net/viewtopic.php?p=289385#p289385
D.S.

[Stilgar]

I agree with bengan don‘t worry about promods...

The are like a Dinasaur, too big and unmoveable.

In the past they did great things for the game but what remains after the iberia dlc for them.

When they were smart they would bring 3.0 as a normal addon with iceland, UK, Ireland plus norway...
and leave the rest for SCS. But no they are crying like a child....

[BenganJ]

@Stilgar

Yeah, sadly the good 'ol maps are declining or vanishing one after the other.
We will probably not see TSM any more e.g.! At least I've tried to talk to the
Promods team and the last time Scul said they were to adapt the new projection
for the rework of northern Scandinavia, but did it only worse. I also talked
to one of them about the mess they've done to UK, Iceland and Ireland. Then
they excused themselves that they still had bugs open on Iceland, so they
couldn't rescale because of that. It still hasn't happened! :roll:

[paokkerkir]

While I completely understand your point of view, I'm gonna place my two cents on the matter.

Wrongly scaled or not, promods map is one that almost all of us use for this game, so maybe if there is not so much work you could make two versions of the background map? I realise that you'll have to butcher the real world for promods sake, but, in the end of the day, its a game, a wonderful one, and in-game for some of us would be better to knowingly have misplaced countries in order to appear somewhat correct in game.

If you don't make an adjusted map, as I said before I understand totally.

[BenganJ]

@paokkerkir

If you read what I said earlier you know that I sadly had to "butcher the real world" already to be able
to release a UNIVERSAL SAT BG, independent of which main map you have in your combo! I also told
you that I have talked to Propmods team about correcting (rescaling) the UK, Ireland and Iceland area,
but nothing happens. Actually, in spite of the fact that Promods this time made the things worse, there
aren't very big differences from the ideal status, which we NEVER will be able to achieve. May I ask you,
what is the worst thing now you think?