[DISC]Red Sea Map for Promods(ME)

[Vinnie Terranova]

Other option is to overwrite the "invading" sectors with RSM in the conflict area's and connect to the "non-invading" sectors.

This time it's a possibility. But would you do that every time ProMods is updated with more invading sectors? I don't think this re-invading is the solution.

[b738pilot]

We have a few options we were discussing today where to take RSM. From our technician department, it may be near impossible to remove the promods dependency without rebuilding the content in Road to Africa or Road to Asia. Ideally, the idea came about to dissolve RSM and move the content from Saudi Arabia into RTA and Egypt into Road to Africa. 2 issues persist:

- RTA is usually on the bottom of the load order, so promods sectors would "win" the invasion

- We have used quite a bit of content from Promods to instantly make it non dependent

I take full blame for its dependency. When I founded the project as a solo mapper in May 2020, I thought being a promods dependency was a safe move as promods gave the idea to new mappers that they encourage expansion projects from their areas. Every 6 months when they pull this BS I am reminded that promods is not a friendly organization at all. The only connection we have remaining to them at TerraMaps is RSM, our 2nd most popular map mod.

I do agree with one of the comments here, 1.44 will most likely be the last time I personally download promods and just for checking how much damage it will have on RSM, but as far as using promods, i think i'm quite done with it. In reality, Iceland and Israel are the only places I'll miss anyway from promods. Maybe we can add PMME areas into RTA one day, who knows :)

I appreciate the supportive comments and the suggestions from our friends and fans here at RoEx, as always, we will promptly deliver any decisions we as a team agree on once promods releases their update. Regardless of the direction this goes, we will still look into options to break dependency.

[Arayas]

few notes:
-nobody stops you to move RSM above Promods (or RTA for that matter).
-nobody stops you to release a Promods add-on if you respect their rules as many others add-ons.
-regular users want diversity, not exclusion, in that note we can have both your maps and Promods ones, like in our case, Rusmap or any other map with overlaping territory.
I agree, as a player i would like to see a massive Promods developement in UK, Scandinavia, Going East area and so on, not this developements who is generating continuos reason to argue, but that's their decision only.
I was on this road, i've came to the conclusion is best to do what people want. Just a sugestion, you know the decision its in your yard.

[baneorthodox]

What ever you decide, you have 100 % support. Keep up the great work !!!

[Samartok (NL)]

Other option is to overwrite the "invading" sectors with RSM in the conflict area's and connect to the "non-invading" sectors.

This time it's a possibility. But would you do that every time ProMods is updated with more invading sectors? I don't think this re-invading is the solution.

I was thinking more in the line of what Project Balkan, Poland Rebuilding but also RoEx & Rusmap do. They're placed above PM and change the sectors they have been working on as an add-on and/or alternative to PM.
As far as I know, it then doesn't matter how many sectors "invade", the higher placed map overwrites it anyway. If I understand it correctly, it's not the hardest thing to do. But I stand corrected if I'm wrong.
And yes, PM has a habit of encroaching on areas where others also are developing their work. But that is a discussion which has been discussed before, since the dawn of time.

[Vinnie Terranova]

@Samartok (NL) The problem with Project Balkan, Poland Rebuilding, etc, is that they are dependent of releases of ProMods: when ETS2 is updated, first ProMods must be updated and released, and only then Project Balkans, Poland Rebuilding, etc can be updated because they need the ProMods sectors. And thus they have to wait until ProMods is updated and released.

This will cost a lot of time... You can see this happening with Poland Rebuilding: we always have to wait for a very long time after an ETS2 update before Poland Rebuilding is updated and released:
ETS2 is updated, wait for a few weeks, Promods is updated and released, wait for another couple of weeks, Poland Rebuilding is released, wait a few days, road connection between RoEx, PM and PR is released. And only then we can use Poland Rebuilding in our map combo.

The best thing for us as players is that map mods are completely independent of other map mods. And I mean completely. Only then map mods can be developed independent of and parallel to other map mods.

But yeah, one problem remains: sometimes people want to develop in the same area. And nobody can forbid somebody to develop in a particular area. So, in the end overlapping sectors will be a big issue for a very long time.

[Ronin]

Promods claims that they are a modding community and that every modder can decide for himself what he makes and where he works. So I'm reading this that they have no control and don't want to control your modders.
So I also understand that it is not their decision that someone from the modding team will do 2 cities of RSM and thus make our RSM no longer compatible with Promods (and any other combo)
Fine. But don't expect us to accept this so we're going against it with all the legal options out there. He chooses the conflict with us, so he gets the shit from us. What else did they expect. They know us.

But the moment we do this, they come as a bunch of morale knights and you are deeply offended. Then it is not an attack against a mod, but an attack against Promods.
I really see a double standard here.

I have been active in this community for a long time and see here the same action you have taken towards Arayas and are now taking TerraMaps on the grain. We are actually honored that you see us as a threat.
We wanted to work with them. But after Kazakhstan, this is the next stab in the back. And if I understand correctly, no area we've done is safe. What comes next. Road to Asia?
They are very good at antagonizing people like Sergey and Arayas. But the moment they go on full attack then you turn the whole community against them. And they can too because they have so many followers who don't know any better.

TerraMaps at this time will agree with ending our relationship with ProMods. We will not provoke, but we will respond if provoked by anyone from the ProMods staff. Whatever you do, we will respond with an equal and greater effect. We maintain that ProMods is 100% in the moral wrong here, despite the "anyone can map anywhere" argument, you still shall expect reactions when messing with other people's hard work, and that's our stance and it will not change.

[SETrucker]

I'm on your side with Sergey and Arayas.

[SETrucker]

Why can they not just give up and let others who make maps can add their maps to promods while they make the
cities they have better and maybe bigger as "SCS" does or did or why not expand cities in other countries such as.
"Sweden", "Denmark" and in other places where no one else makes maps so that they fit together with promods,
can not be so damn difficult to be able to check up with different what is done? ...

[ScaniaV8Trucker]

@olaf28
Hmmm i dont really agree with you. I am not a big fan of Promods, but taking legal actions against a developer because he wants to make 2 citys in your area seems a bit too harsh to me.
I have no idea of mapping but a friend told me that making a connection so RSM users can have RSM citys is not a big problem and can be done fast. So wheres the Problem then?
Like in which times are we living?
Can just not everyone work where he wants?
I will definetly stay at RSM because I like the style but I dont see any problem if ProMods wants to make these citys too for their users. We have to accept that not everyone wants to play TM or ProMods. Just let everyone map where he wants and decide what he wants to play.
I really would like to use a combo without Promods but this statement from Terramaps really confused me.
I hope a solution can still be found